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Glad you guys had fun. You may want to remind the prepubescent that was driving the black hardtop that he should stay more than 6 inches off the back of other folks next time he is in the area...
ByteMan, maybe you could let faster traffic by next time and then those that want to go faster won't be 6" off your back? I only had a couple of bikes catch me all weekend but I let them by ASAP. Too bad very few others showed me the same courtesy.
If you think I'm going to risk dumping my bike on a soft shoulder to let you by in your overstuffed cage - you are sadly mistaken. Speed limit is 35 and double lines mean no passing - asshole...
Oh, and thanks for the confessional. I now have a photo of you, your car, your license plate, and a written statement that supports my argument that you were driving recklessly during that period of time that I can present to the Tennessee Highway patrol. See you in court, Einstein...
Sorry, but you are mistaken and I could care less if he was driving a cage or a moped. Did I complain about any of the other car clubs?
Let me explain it simply - crowding folks off any public (or private) road is reckless endangerment. Following a car too close is one thing - following a motorcycle too close is another, entirely.
Keep the racing on the track. Deal's Gap is not the place for time trials...
Too bad, we didn't have any problems with the Corvette club, Civics, or SCCA. It only takes one showoff to make an entire car club look really, really, bad...
And the "it's your ego" ad homonym was expected. Thanks for being so predictable...
And sorry, no lawsuit to entertain you with - I'll merely mail all the information to the TNHP with a formal letter of complaint...
The TNHP are good people. They harass those that deserve to be harassed. It would be nice to see more of them there - cut down on the rifraf....
Or would you rather have the local MCs patrol the area to "physically educate" the reckless and disrespectful?
GroovinPickle said...My speculation about your ego based on your comments is hardly an ad hominem argument. Despite your misspelling [snippity doo da]
No misspelling - ad homonym is a derivative of ad hominem and have analogical meanings - I am more interested in your play on words that pointing out what is obvious - that your argument was more personal attack than substantive rhetoric.
I remained at speed limit + for the entire 11 miles. I have every legal right to keep my bike on pavement and not risk the potential accident. There are only three "safe" places to pull off the road - at the Deal's Gap Store, NC/TN border, and lookout on TN side.
Here is a clue - wait until traffic clears before doing your time trials. You aren't going to ruin my fun just because you want to drive flat out up and down the mountain...which is illegal, by the way...
First, let me say that I am not in the BlackMustangClub and don't know any of them. I'm not the black hardtop Mustang you had some smarmy comments about. I WAS up there in my cage last weekend, but it was a tan BMW 325i sedan. Sorry to drag this argument into your thread, BlackMustangClub, but byteman's remarks have to be addressed somewhere.
Look, there are PLENTY of safe places to pull off on the road. I've pulled off on my sportbike to let faster riders by, I've pulled off in my car to let sportbikes by. If you have half a lick of common sense and even less riding skill, pulling to the white line to let faster traffic by is no problem at all.
If sports cars, pickups, and SUVs can all swing off in the pull-off areas to let faster traffic by, or just pull to the white line in a straight area, why can't you cruiser guys let faster traffic by? It isn't your personal parade route to drive 15MPH any more than it is a sportbikers personal race track.
Oh, and thanks for threatening to have the "local MCs" [motorcycle clubs] patrol the area and get physical with those they don't appreciate. That really does miracles for your image, Internet Toughguy. Try that "physically educating" out one day and see how far it gets you. That's breaking a lot more laws that driving "too fast" in your opinion on the hill. Since you're so quick on the draw to bring the police into this, maybe they'd have something to say about abusive threats against sportbikers and sports car drivers?
milf - if you weren't involved, you should have kept your mouth shut, folks like you are known as trolls.
I had a legitimate complaint and expected a legitimate response. Such as...
Byteman, On behalf of the car club, I am sorry that you felt someone was following too close. We were excited to be there. We will be sure to give everyone a little more space the next time we're at the Dragon...
See - end of discussion - no continued name calling, finger pointing, etc. But, for some reason those involved continue to think it is OK to drive recklessly - that is my "beef" with this situation. I have the same concern about ANYONE who uses that area as a race track.
As far as MCs - that wasn't a threat, it was a suggestion... Abide by the law, or eventually folks may get involved who take the law into their own hands.
There will likely be an organized protest in the future that will include MC and RC chapters supporting those on cruisers who, just like everyone else, enjoy riding the Dragon. We really are tired of being abused by speed racers...
I think I have stated my case as simply and comprehensively as possible. If you want to quibble about nothing - there's plenty of space left in this thread...have at it...
Chris, the difference is the Z wasn't in danger of hitting anyone else - he had an open stretch of road, made a simple mistake, and most importantly came out unharmed. Embarrassing, yes - reckless endangerment, no. So I feel there is some humor in that situation. His car can easily be repaired.
One of our group members went down twice on a different stretch of road due to sudden illness brought on by a chronic health condition. It wasn't funny at the time, but when he came out unscathed (although his bike was a bit battered) we helped him cope with his embarrassment by turning both occasions into some form of humor.
OFFICER737, If you read my posts carefully, I have already addressed that concern. If I am obeying traffic laws, I should not have to distract myself by sacrificing my lawful space on the road.
Looking constantly into the rear view mirror for someone who wants to overtake me on a road that has 318 curves in 11 miles is dangerous. You think, perhaps, there is good reason for the DOUBLE LINES that extend all the way from NC to TN on 129?
If you are truly an "Officer" and are patrolling that area, and condone the pull over to the wee edges of the road method, then the state of affairs for that area is of even more concern for safe and enjoyable travel. It is against the law to overtake anyone on a double lined highway...
Chris said...
Also--no one from our club were doing any name calling...just to let you know....
Now Chris, I was beginning to respect your point of view - and then I visited your Car Club site - seems some name calling about this conversation is going on after all, yes?
For shame...
Ok, byteman, since you insist on keeping this argument going, check this out.
Tennessee Code Annotated 55-8-123.
(4) (A) Where passing is unsafe because of traffic in the opposite direction or other conditions, a slow-moving vehicle, including a passenger vehicle, behind which five (5) or more vehicles are formed in line, shall turn or pull off the roadway wherever sufficient area exists to do so safely, in order to permit vehicles following it to proceed.
Not only is it common courtesy that I, along with other Gap riders/drivers, are asking you to obey, but it is also a state law.
I actually saw something new at the Gap last weekend -- I saw a cruiser going so slow, they couldn't pass two bicyclists. The cyclists tried to let them by, but they couldn't make the pass and were holding up at least 5 cars behind them, and an untold number of bikes.
Can you honestly really think "Looking constantly into the rear view mirror for someone who wants to overtake me on [the dragon] is dangerous"? Maybe you should take the MSF course or some other education to learn to ride better then. I have no problem keeping a constant check on my mirrors in the car, or turning around to look behind me on the bike, and neither does any other competent motorist. You are SUPPOSED to check your mirrors while driving, and you are SUPPOSED to pull off and let faster traffic by -- the state didn't spend money to build those pull-off areas for nothing. Since there aren't many opportunities to pass on the left, it is up to the slow traffic in front to pull to the right to let traffic by.
Again, I don't know what makes you think you have the right to be a rolling roadblock up there, and patrol every body else's ride. Here's the difference between us: I'm not telling you to go faster, to ride beyond your level, or anything else. I'm telling you to just use common sense and common courtesy and use the right side of the lane so people can pass you. That doesn't affect your ride at all. You, however, are trying to ruin everybody else's ride that may be faster than you, just because you don't like being passed.
You really are coming across as one of the 1% of cruiser riders that are just utter pricks and give the rest a bad name. Share the road, man.
Chris said ...But you wanna join up are site and have go? Fine...
Nope, just one visit as guest confirmed what types were on the Dragon that day...
Chris said... And I am sorry laughing at someone going over a cliff is just wrong. Period
I wasn't laughing AT them - only the resulting situation. Perhaps I can explain it so you understand.
Mistake + personal injury = NO HUMOR
Mistake + compromised situation = POTENTIAL HUMOR
Chris said... we made sure to tell the lead car if its a bike, give them some space
Excellent, but if the offending person HAD LISTENED, we wouldn't be having this conversation, would we?
Apology, what apology - I'll have to re-read the comments more carefully...
milf said:
Tennessee Code Annotated 55-8-123.
(4) (A) Where passing is unsafe because of traffic in the opposite direction or other conditions, a slow-moving vehicle, [snip],
By law - a slow moving vehicle is defined as a vehicle that is not traveling at posted speed limits.
I was well within the legal limit.
Wait until traffic that isn't breaking the law clears for your trial runs - what is so hard to understand about that?
It took me 4 tries to have a "pristine run" that day. You don't hear me complaining about that. You should have the same patience.
Chris, you have made some good points, and I take it you are acting as spokesperson for your Club. Thanks for your attention to my complaint. If you are making a sincere apology about this incident, then it is accepted.
I will apologize only for mistaking milf as being the offending party - as he has mentioned, at a later time, he is not a part of your group.
Milf - you are a troll - go jump in your Beemer and drive 90 in a 30 mph zone so you can get your fix and burn off steam.
Chris - everything is cool. I am glad we could sort this out... (]8^)
Again, as I posted before, I sincerely am glad that you guys had fun.
The last few posters who want to split hairs can STFU...
Ride and Drive Safe...Byteman signing out...
"If I am obeying traffic laws, I should not have to distract myself by sacrificing my lawful space on the road."
Simple fact is: you don't HAVE to. But what's so stinkin' bad -or hard- about doing it anyways?!
Seems the action is not the issue for you, more the principle.
You can choose to not let faster riders/drivers pass - that is your option.
But, I doubt seriously that a man crusade would slow everybody down.
You know, I have come up on slower riders and many will gladly ease to the right side of the lane (no need to risk a crash on the soft shoulder in order to allow others to pass).
Others will notice my presence in their rear view mirror and ride in such a way as to make safe passing as difficult as possible. Real courteous and real safe, huh?
I guess we all get to pick which way we will treat our fellow riders and car enthusiasts.
AH but wait.....
"Speed limit is 35 and double lines mean no passing - asshole..."
no further comment
Sorry folks, I got ahead of myself, this discussion ended when Chris and I came to a mutual understanding.
Berate on if it makes you feel any better...the show is over...
Byteman,
I'm almost afraid to post again since you've resorted to calling me "milf" -- maybe you got your pejoratives mixed up, but that generally implies an older woman you'd like to intercourse. I'm not really sure what you mean by that, but I'm not available for whatever redneck fantasy you're having.
Thanks to the SA/AI Goons and SBN riders who jumped in. I think an obvious consensus has been reached -- byteman, you can BYTE ME, ya foockin moran.
It's no problem when someone decides to be an ass when you're on a bike, since you can just pass them on the brakes or wait for a clear view and zip by them with no problem, but it can be a real pain in the ass in a car, especially if it's down on power. There are very few places to pass safely in a car, and you really have to know they're coming and set up for them ahead of time. You have to rely on some courtesy from others in many cases. Unfortunately some people just don't have it.
It really takes no effort whatsoever to let someone pass you. No matter how fast or slow im riding at the time I make sure to keep tabs on whats behind me, and I don't even have mirrors. This is part of the practice of safe riding, regardless of what, how, or where you ride.
If someone catches me they're going to pass me regardless, so I figure I might as well assist them in making it a clean and quick pass so we can both get back to our own rides. If pulling over to the right 3rd of your lane and giving someone a wave by is too much for you to handle as a rider, you don't need to be out on public streets. Being an asshole about it is going to do nothing but cause them to make a less courteous pass. The last thing I would want is for a car to force a desperation pass on me.
When I first approach a slower rider or car, I focus on making sure the pass is clean and safe for both parties, that I give them plenty of time to realize im there and prepare to be passed, and wait for a place that I can give them as much room as possible so I don't spook them. If I follow you for 3 miles and you keep riding like an oblivious idiot, my only concern at that point is, "where can I make a safe pass". The desire to give you a ton of room and make it a nice polite pass diminishes, and your lack of assistance in the pass doesn't leave me many options in the first place.
Fortunately, most riders realize there ARE traffic obstruction laws, have common courtesy, don't have flagrant ego issues, and know they don't have the right or ability to police the roads. Believe it or not, there are riders out there that can run the road at 55mph in more control than you can ride it at 15mph. Not all sportbike riders are suicidal squids. it amazes me that this kind of thing isn't just "understood".
GroovinPickle said...
LOL miklm do u have stares in ur house?
lol protected amirite?
SDS: The original point was that they are not easy to pass safely in cars. By being uncooperative, it's forcing people to drive more aggressively than they should have to just to enjoy the road at their own pace, making things more dangerous for everyone else out there.
Cruisers in tight formation can be difficult to pass even on a bike.
sds, Darryl, vmax - you all make some excellent points.
Let me explain the situation our group was in. We are a large group with experienced and less experienced riders (as far as mountain riding goes). Some had never been to Deal's Gap.
Cruiser clubs tend to ride in group formation for safety reasons, not to look "cool". We move as a "unit" so you should yield to us as you would yield to a semi or other large vehicle.
Against better judgment for the safety of our group (I am a tailgunner, thus my Type A and sometimes confrontational personality) we purposely split the group up so that we would NOT cause a major traffic jam.
Some went as singles, some went in pods of 3. Interestingly, those who went as singles were purposely intimidated by members within a single car club. This behavior was everything from riding the bumper to beeping the horn to racing the engines. If anyone was forced to drive more aggressively or outside their comfort zone, it was those bikers who were being pushed from behind...
Some of our group went up and down the mountain only once - because, quite frankly, the behavior of some at the Gap that day was unacceptable...
Those things you call "purposeful intimidation" are actually your cue to get out of the way. I've honked at oblivious riders and drivers in my car before after following a while, and the majority of the time they'll realize I'm behind them and assist me in passing them.
Parades of cruisers are a headache at best. When you ride so tight that even another bike can't easily leap frog your group, what chance does a car have? It doesn't do anything but create an obstruction, and leave the riders with less room to work with in an already crowded environment.
No one is ever going to force you to ride out of your comfort zone. Anyone with a shred of common sense would let faster traffic by if it was intimidating them. If you decide to play the role of a rolling road block, the resulting scenario is your own fault and you have no right to complain about it. What you're asking for is extremely hypocritical. You want to ride the road in the fashion of your choosing, and to hell with anyone that wants to enjoy the road in any other way.
Believe it or not, cars and bikes of all kinds manage to share the road just fine every weekend of the year. Even the tiniest bit of common courtesy will alleviate problems of this nature. If you can't come up and share in that experience, it's your own fault.
So...
What do we do when we come up on slower traffic? Give them some space and time to acknowledge your presence and prepare for the pass, and for a safe passing section to present itself.
What do we do when faster traffic comes up on us? We move over to the right third of our lane and give them a little wave by when it's clear.
If everyone did these two simple things, there would never be another passing issue again.
Doesn't matter who you are. If you don't like being passed in tight situations then you are riding the wrong piece of road. I pass and get passed ever time I go which is three or four times a month. Guys like Byte are no big deal, you just have to pass them a little closer than the rest. What's he gonna do, run his mouth when you get to the overlook? Big deal.
If you don't want to get passed go somewhere else to ride.
I am sure the local LEO's would laugh at you if you complained that you were passed on double yellow. Unlike you they are realistic about that piece of road.
I'm sorry Tyler, you and some others continue to fail the Vulcan logic test and your arguments are inflammatory, at best.
I have resolved our complaint with the car club and wish not to have to mention them again. If you are a spokesperson from the car club, please say so, or I will respond to you as I have the other Trolls who wish to "pile on" this discussion.
It is against the law to pass anyone on the Dragon's tail (that's what the double yellow lines are for).
I think semi's are a pain in the butt, but they exist, and I must respect their space. It is lawful for bikers to ride in organized groups - so get used to it and respect our space. We don't care what you like and your impatience causes both accidents and confrontations.
We realized the hazards of having a large group on the Gap and respectfully split the group up so that we would cause the least amount of disruption.
If you ever hit the rear of another vehicle, even if they are at a dead stop in the middle of the road - then the accident is your fault.
Putting bikers in danger because they are riding slower than your ability at self-control is selfish and reckless.
Guys like Byte are no big deal, you just have to pass them a little closer than the rest. What's he gonna do, run his mouth when you get to the overlook? Big deal.
That is a VERY DANGEROUS assumption to make. It is best to give everyone the respect they deserve. If you see a single hornet and swipe at it - you may accidently hit the entire nest...
So in other words, what you're saying is you would rather ruin your own ride and the rides/drives of others based solely on principle than you would have everyone have a good time? That's stupid and irrational.
I'm much more patient and courteous than most when it comes to passing, but there is absolutely no way I'm going to follow your group at 15mph for 11 miles while my bike overheats because you can't be bothered to let me around. You shouldn't expect this of me just as I don't expect you to speed up to my pace.
You need to stop preaching about giving people respect until you start practicing it. Fortunately, people with your mentality are the minority up on the hill.
Tyler said.
there is absolutely no way I'm going to follow your group at 15mph for 11 miles while my bike overheats because you can't be bothered to let me around.
You should get that overheating problem fixed...
Our group wasn't riding 15mph for 11 miles. We split up, or did you miss that point? We rode the speed limit +, just like everyone else. The only difference is there were folks "racing" on the Dragon and some of us unfortunately ended up in front of them...
I posted a specific complaint. That complaint has been resolved. I don't remember you being a part of that complaint, unless you are one of the offending member(s) of the car club...
You said some of you were in groups and some were singles, but that is irrelevant. I think you understood my point.
So it's ok for you to speed, but it's not ok when someone else is riding at a pace that's faster than what you are capable of, and it then becomes "racing"? Nice. Let me also point out the fact that your speeding (read: lawbreaking) is not a big deal to you, but someone elses passing on a double yellow is reckless and dangerous. Aren't you the one that's been preaching about the law this whole time? Hypocrisy at its best.
I am not part of the car club. I'm a local that has run the road on a regular basis in cars and on motorcycles, and I have a good grasp on what works and what doesn't after the amount of miles I've clocked up there. It's nothing more than an issue of courtesy, and in this case your lack thereof.
Really Tyler, do you want to go there?
:rolls eyes:
I never said "I" was "speeding". But you are welcome to your own interpretation of traveling at speed limit +...
Let me condense my main points:
We (as a riding club) always attempt to travel as safely and lawfully, as possible. Do we walk on water - no.
We wanted to enjoy a day on the Dragon, as much as everyone else.
We had a plan that would cause the least amount of disruption to the flow of traffic.
We followed others at safe distances and if they were moving at a slower pace, we did NOT attempt to crowd them or distract them in any manner.
We expected them to take the safest line of passage and if they felt the need to pull over, it was unnecessary but appreciated.
Some in our group felt their personal space and safety was compromised.
That concern was addressed in this forum, rather than by personal confrontation.
As far as I am concerned, the car club are now friends of ours, and I hope we can meet at the Gap in the future and have a laugh about the whole issue.
Maybe one of the drivers in those hotrods will let me ride with them down the mountain - yeeha.
BTW, I was State Champion in SCCA Solo II HS for two years running and have been on the Dragon in a cage. I have no issues with it being a "them" vs "us" thing...
Give it a rest Tyler...
miklm said...
byteman, you can BYTE ME, ya foockin moran.
Ha! - had someone run your plates - seems you have a self-control issue when it comes to your driving habits.
Have a nice day(s) in court in Franklin, hope they let you keep your license although you really are a menace to the general public...
So, who's the real moron?
ByteMan said...
Ha! - had someone run your plates - seems you have a self-control issue when it comes to your driving habits.
Have a nice day(s) in court in Franklin, hope they let you keep your license although you really are a menace to the general public...
So, who's the real moron?
Apparently, you are.
I'm not sure what plates you ran, but you picked the wrong BMW. I've never received a traffic citation in Franklin, and have no pending court dates anywhere.
Thanks for playing; try again. I love how you're trying to make a personal vendetta against me. You really are a 1%-er, aren't you? Gotta maintain that tough-guy biker image, don't we? Go to hell. I haven't tried to make a beef with you; I've just told you and everybody else to get out of the way of faster traffic, becuase it makes the ride/drive better and safer for everybody involved. I ALWAYS yield to faster traffic on the hill, and I expect the same courtesy. Period.
Isn't that the whole point of all that "golden rule" business in the Bible? You just prove how hypocritically self-righteous you are. "I'll ride the way I want, everybody else be damned" vs. "You move over for me, I'll move over for you". Which is the more courteous approach, Crusader for Christ?
miklm said... blah blah blah
Man, you are just too easy to rattle - you troll in on a conversation in a manner that made you look like the guilty party, and then after fessing up, you continue to spew your meaningless points.
Sort of reminds me of the argument skit from Monty Python. Except your responses are predictable and stale...
Thanks for entertaining me
Michael Merritt from E Jefferson St, Pulaski, TN 38478.
I hope your daddy's popcorn sales go well this year...
Sales are going great this year; I'll send you some samples of our popcorn if you want.
It's nothing more than words on a screen, but you're the one that took it so personally. I know I sure haven't cared enough to go look up YOUR personal information and post it, but I could have. What did that accomplish in your mind? Anybody can find that on Google anyway; you haven't revealed any national secret. What's next? My phone number? SSN? Post my driving record? Do you think you're hurting me in some way? Causing me to lose sleep?
You've shown your TRUE colors OVER and OVER again, nevermind that Christian Crusader flag you like to wave when its convenient. You're a sad, pathetic little man. I hope I don't get as bitter and sorry as you as I grow old.
If I was trolling, which I wasn't, I did a DAMN good job of getting you to bite. That would be a troll to be proud of. As it is, I've made my point, and you've made yours. What's next?
if we are going to argue about something how about the fact that Chevys are Far Superior to Fords. I know this for a fact because at the BP in Pigeon Forge the previous day not a one of the super fast Mustangs was willing to race a SS camaro with a K&N Filter and a flowmaster
Not trying to win a popularity contest. I stated my point of view (that many others share, BTW).
This was a contest over specific incidents that affected my group while we were on the Dragon. That has been resolved.
Many laws are not popular - yet they are laws. The law remains on my side in this argument. Give everyone the space and respect they deserve on any highway.
Whatever "debate" occurred with those who were not involved in that incident was followed purely for my amusement. Being a cognitive psychologist, it proves the point that many of you are not even thinking at the Concrete Operational stage (look up Piaget).
Y'all came through splendidly, thanks for the entertainment...but now you are beginning to bore me...
"That is a VERY DANGEROUS assumption to make."
You gonna get your MC after me there TAIL GUNNER? Grow up. Never fails a bunch of middle aged burnouts all group together with motorcycles and start having delusions of youth and exuberance. Or is it piss and vinegar.
This guy is the reason I will not join an organized club. He is an infantile who has no identity and must constantly talk about his club and insinuate the damage they could do if provoked. Get a life or get laid or maybe just get bent. Tail Gunner?? Are you kidding me?? Talk to me goose!
You children continue to reinforce my point about the lack of logic that exists in your arguments.
Please continue - the qualitative data you are providing will support the research that I am currently doing...
You gonna get your MC after me there TAIL GUNNER? Grow up.
Nope, that is not our business. Nor did I ever make any statement that suggests it is our business. I'll leave that to the MCs that you may offend.
And our ministry was never mentioned by me, it was brought up by a troll.
My point in the statement you refer to is that you never really know who you are dealing with - so give folks some respect.
This is a debate about man's law - not God's law. My group should not be a point of contention - other than members had complaints about incidents that happened on the Dragon.
Did I mention those have been resolved?
We would be happy to minister to your motorcycle club, if you are interested in God's word. Otherwise, you should leave them out of the discussion.
Hossheim, thank you, that is excellent advice, we tried to get there as early as possible - We'll keep that in mind the next time we're there. Peace.
Daffyduc, your point was made some 90+ posts ago, don't you have anything original or helpful to add?
cbr_boy said...
Poor lady her thread and pic was thread jacked....
Are you kidding - her picture got more attention than anyone else in the blog - they should thank me... that is a sweet looking car, BTW...
CBRider599 said... blah blah blah and nothing new, really
That's your failing, you don't understand that I don't ride the Dragon to prove how skilled I am - I do it because it is a fantastic stretch of road. I'm nice enough not to act like a jerk and pressure anyone off the road. I expect the same courtesy from other bikers and drivers.
Not only have I taken MSF - I'll likely be teaching courses in the near future - you really don't know me from Jack, do you?
If you think I am a jerk for not running off the road for every adrenaline junky who wants to pass me, you have completely missed the point(s) that I have made in the thread.
ice750 said... pathetic inflammatory rambling
Again, you don't know me or about my ability to ride/drive/teach, so how can you make a logical judgment in the matter?
I'm sorry you feel justified that anyone cares about your opinion in the matter.
Go back to the 3rd post in this thread. That post has been resolved. If it wasn't for trolls like you, this thread would have ended miles ago...
ice750 said...
i know everything i need to know by your posts here. you are self centered egotistical pederastic paraphiliac
Yep, that pretty much sums it up... and I'm sure you have the proper education to back that statement up...
must be that bible banging thing that so many "of the cloth" seem to have.
I am a regular old sinner, just like everyone else. I am smart enough to know the difference between man's law and God's law. You seem to have these confused.
you are not the police, you do not uphold public law. it is not your place to try and force everyone to share your point of view.
Again, you have no idea who I am, do you? And it is my place to publicly complain about an incident. That's called "free speech", Mon Führer.
you may be what is found on our next trash pickup day over the side of the mountain.
That almost sounds like a threat - you seem to know a lot about that kind of sabotage, I hope you weren't involved in any of those recent incidents...
Troll on...
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